About that time, just before Vivien came, I was moving to the University of Wisconsin, and I moved there because I had done an auditory thesis, an ablation study and so on, and I wanted to learn more about the auditory system, I wanted to move into physiology. It was the best place you could go to do auditory research. Rose had taken over that line of research, they had rooms full of equipment, the best stuff you could get, everything, engineers, everything you could want – I don’t know why I wanted that. So I went to Wisconsin, and the head of auditory was Clinton Woolsey. And after I got there, he said “we have enough people working in auditory – no one working on vision – why don’t you work on vision”. Well it wasn’t like I was given a choice [laughs] – so I worked on vision, and it took about three years to figure out what we were doing because we did a lot of things wrong, of course, there were a couple of people doing rotations from medical school and so on, and they were really bright guys in neurosurgery departments, but they didn’t stay very long so we took a long time to finally get something to work – about three years I’d say. And we had some nice studies during that time, but none were published. So today, if you went three years and didn’t get publish – and they could have been published, but they didn’t seem good enough yet – that sort of feeing you got at that time, unlike now, was don’t publish – don’t publish very often – wait until you really have something and then come out with that. That was really suicidal advice at that time. The community was changing rapidly.              Next Page