Also, people remember Jerzy as very argumentative, but not in a bad sense. He liked to argue with people just to argue with them and explore whether they could argue effectively or not. And I argued him once on whether there would be life on the moon or not, and he proposed that there would and I said there wouldn’t, and we had a big bet, but he never paid.  And then, or course, they came out of the same tradition as Mountcastle and had loosened up a little bit, but you can see by the look on Mountcastle’s face ...